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young man's family. his name is nodar kumaritashvili from the former soviet republic of georgia. but this has shaken up some athletes. we don't know if the georgian team is going to continue. there will be some sort of safety briefing later. as i said, the track is running real fast. a lot of folks just aren't used to all that speed, dylan. >> chris jansing was telling us at the top of the show the only way to control speed because there are no brakes on those sleds, it is a gravity sport, is the temperature on the track, that a warmer track is a slower track. do you have any insight as to how much slower they might be able to make it, or even if that's a real option? >> reporter: yeah, i'm not sure how much of an option that is. this track has 16 curves. and obviously the more curves you pick up, the faster you go. there's a 50-story drop from top to finish on this track. so this is a real intense track. i spoke to one of the american luge sliders yesterday. he was excited to get up there. but obviously they're going to
have to be a little more cautious as they make their runs, probably starting tomorrow. >> listen, ron, thanks for the reporting. ron mott from vancouver. watch the opening ceremonies this evening on nbc. coverage begins at 7:30 p.m. eastern time. that will do it for us for the day and for the week. thank you for spending a piece of your day with us. i appreciate it. it's an honor to get a chance to serve you. as a reporter, who works for you. up next, "hardball" with chris matthews, which starts right now. democrats frustrated. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. leading off tonight, domestic disturbance. did you hear the sound of loud bickering and crashing dishes coming from the democrats' house these days?
politico reported this morning that nancy pelosi is not happy at all with president obama on a number of counts. to exempt the pentagon from the budget freeze? and his plan for tax breaks for small businesses. oh, yeah, and don't forget having the house pass the cap and trade bill, then leaving them hanging when the senate has no chance at all of doing the same. is there a family feud brewing in the democratic party? also, the end of the line? congressman patrick kennedy has decided not to seek re-election to congress in rhode island. except for the two years just after john f. kennedy was elected president, there's been a kennedy in the u.s. congress every year since 1947. will joe kennedy have to run in 2012 to win back ted's seat? plus, republicans say military tribunals for suspected terrorists are morefestive than civilian trials. but only three terrorists have been tried by tribunal, and two are now free. let's get the real facts on this argument. and you think sarah palin's
just a novelty act? not a real presidential contender? big-name media types are now giving her respect. we'll look at who's saying nice things and what that says about her actual chances in 2012. finally, i don't think stories get much crazier than this one. republicans are pushing bills to prevent the government from implanting microchips in human beings. you know, like the disturbed person who thinks had's got a transmitter in his teeth? well, they're up to that, the republicans. let's begin with the family feud between nancy pelosi, harry reid and president obama. i'm joined by two democrats, u.s. congressman of pennsylvania, he's a democrat. ened sufficient congresswoman debbie schultz, a fellow democrat from florida. first of all, debbie, this new poll out is fascinating. "the new york times"/cbs poll, do you think it's time to give new people a chance? 8% said most members of congress
deserve re-election. 81% said it's time for new people. does that hurt the democratic majority, that poll? >> well, fortunately voters vote for real live flesh and blood members of congress. voters decide whether they like the job their member of congress is doing on election day. and we have members of congress all over this country in all kinds of different districts who are reaching out, and communicating with their constituents about the job we're doing to move this country in a new direction. they're doing an effective job at that. their individual polling shows that, they're getting support from their constituents. the generic ballot never means much when compared head-to-head. >> why do people say they don't like congress? why do they keep saying that? like 81% say they don't like the congress people. why would they keep saying that if they don't mean it, or it's meaningless? >> chris, that's because you
keep hearing from people who are saying that we're not getting anything done. now, the truth is, you take someone who knows the congress, a congressional scholar like norm ornstein, who says this congress has had a greater level of productivity than any congress in the last 40 years. that the 125 bills we passed into law, the stimulus, the children's health care bill, on and on and on, that this president has had a greater legislative success in terms of significant legislation than lyndon johnson or ronald reagan. but nobody hears that. what they hear is, the constant back-and-forth about we're not getting anything done. mainly that we haven't gotten health care done yet. now, we do know it's taken 100 years, seven presidents, and this is the closest we've ever been. and a lot of us believe we're going to get it done. but there's this constant harping. and because the public is misinformed, their judgments are reflected in these polls based
on wrong information. and bad information. >> who's this democratic official who is quoted -- congresswoman, let me ask you this. there's a democratic official, i don't know what that means, quoted in the politico today saying some democratic house members believe the white house wouldn't mind at all having a foil. in other words, republican majority in the house that would serve their political purposes going into 2012. in other words, they would like to see what happened with bill clinton when he lost the house in '94, but won re-election in '96 running against the republican party congress led by newt gingrich. is there any talk like that on the hill that they think the white house people, like rahm emanuel, might be thinking, hey, it's smarter to run against congress than have to defend it? >> there really isn't. that's just absolutely ludicrous. that sounds like a staff person who's a bit power hungry, who likes to draw some attention to themselves and curry favor with reporters. as you know, i'm the vice-chair of the dnc, spend a lot of time
talking with the folks in the executive branch. i spend quite a bit of time talking with my colleagues. there really isn't the frustration that is being hyped in the media. we obviously -- the founding fathers, chris, set up three branches of government, naturally, where there's friction. we're not going to agree on everything. congressman fattah is absolutely correct. the cash for clunkers gave people money back on purchase of a new car. there was a jump in car sales. you've got additional funding for veterans. we have in addition to the recovery act, we have statutory pago which was signed by the president today, ensures that the government can't spend more than we take in. and that was shunned and actually allowed to lapse under republican administrations. so now we're going to be able to be in a position functionally
and fiscally to get back on our fiscal footing. >> so the house, when you get in the cloakroom and talking before the congressmen and congress women in the house, the democrats are not frustrated by the fact that you were forced to try to -- force-fed the senate bill on health, you pass cap and trade only to know the senate wasn't going to do it. you've been left hanging having voted for these tough measures that do have their enemies in the industry, and you took the steps of voting for health care, for cap and trade, things like that, only to see those bills die in the senate. you're saying there's no frustration on the part of the speaker? >> i think what you heard is when the president gave the state of the union, he consistently applauded the house passage of the jobs bill, of the pay-go rules, on and on. if you go through the speech, there are probably a dozen times we complimented the house for accepting forward. and that's what actually took place. see, some of these reporters, because of the snow, they've had to kind of create stories.
the notion that the house -- >> you guys are unbelievable. >> that the -- >> the staff people and the press and the ignorant masses that are guilty of all this misperception. >> no, no, chris, this isn't the masses. >> one of the greatest congressional scholars, he wrote oh-went through the process of the congress. when he says we've been the most productive in decades, i think everyone has to take another look at this notion that we've done nothing. >> i think, though, chris, i think house democrats recognize that our constituents are frustrated, though. it's not -- i do understand norm ornstein is a respected individual, and his opinion is valued. but our democratic members have their fingers on the pulse of their constituents. and whatever frustration they have is directedly related to the fact that we really feel an urgent need to focus on creating jobs, and turning the economy around. and, you know, the -- any
frustration on the part -- that is sensed on the part of the executive branch or the congress is a result of that sense of urgency that we want to get there. we've got light at the end of the tunnel. we had unemployment at 9.7%. under 10% now. 5.7% growth in the gdp. we're moving in the right direction. but it is obviously frustrating, because we have a long way to go. >> so the politico report says as follows. let me ask you both these questions. this is what the report said finally. "what you're seeing now in public has been building in private, said a top house democratic official. they did everything the president asked of them and it gets stuck in the senate. the senate screws it up." is that accurate, mr. fattah? >> i think there's a lot of frustration about the pace in the senate. as the president said, they filibustered more in one year than they have over the last 30
years. we understand the bottom there. we just want the senate to maybe go to something more american, like a 51-vote majority process, where they can move this -- move these issues along versus a filibuster that allows the minority to stop even the simplest of measures to be able to move through the senate. >> congresswoman wasserman schultz, do you agree with that, we should let the simple majority rule and make decisions on important things, even important things like health care reform? should that be open to a majority vote? >> i think the republicans' abuse of the process of the filibuster in the senate gives me cause for concern. enough to say that it should be reviewed. and maybe only used for certain kinds of votes. because they've absolutely abused the process, gone way beyond what the founding fathers envisioned when this set up the legislative process. but at the end of the day, we've gotten a lot done. all the way through to the president, and signed into law.
as frustrating that it might be that the senate is not doing everything we want the way we want it, we've got a lot done for this country. i think house democrats will be rewarded for it in november. >> you're hard working guys. thank you for coming on on this late friday night. you're both great people. coming up, it's the end of an era, the rhode island congressman calls it quits. he said he's not running for re-election this year. by the way, historically he's the last kennedy in congress going back to '57, almost uninterrupted service by the kennedys in the u.s. congress. now ends at the end of this term. ♪ (announcer) right now, all over the country, discover customers are getting five percent cashback bonus on travel. it pays to get more, it pays to discover. investors are demanding more for their money.
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my father instilled in me a commitment to public service. whether in elected office like he and his brothers, or like my aunt eunice's work with special olympics. having spent two decades in politics, my life is taking a new direction, and i will not be a candidate for re-election this year. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was patrick kennedy announcing he will not seek re-election. gave an interview to wjar. here's part of that interview today. >> i had a good conversation with my dad about what was meaningful in my life, what was important. he and i talked about my, you know, feeling comfortable doing other things in my life. his not having any judgment of
me, in choosing whatever i wanted to do in life. his feeling is if he wanted to tell me essentially that whatever i chose to do, he, you know, loved me through and through. and he just wanted the best for me. >> that must have been very rewarding to have that conversation. >> you know, i feel like i've been so blessed to have had the 15 years i had with my dad serving in congress. and especially the last two years, to have gotten as close as i did with him. and to know that ultimately it's personal relationships that matter the most. >> there's a loving son. joining me is boston globe report peter. and they put together the last line. susan, thanks for coming in. thank you, peter. let me ask you about this decision. it sounds like it's very personal. it's got nothing to do with anything else but him. patrick kennedy has finally made a decision that he had to make. >> i think that's absolutely true. he's always been kind of
sensitive, and here he's in a situation where his sister had cancer. his father died of cancer. he had his own struggles with addiction. >> his brother had cancer, lost a leg. >> i think it was just at a point where especially what's going on on the hill right now, it's a poisonous environment. i think he's looking to do one of those kennedy kind of service roles where he's in the private sector and doing something as an advocate. >> you know, bobby junior swrr once told me the reason he does on river keepers, is he gets to do what he wants to do. fight to protect the environment. the hudson river. the whole thing. he's able to go out there and fight to protect the planet, if you will. he doesn't have to do all the other stuff and play the defense on issues like abortion and all the stuff that you have to do. i wonder if patrick kennedy would just like to pick his shots. >> yeah, i think that the younger generation of kennedys, or the current generation of kennedys has certainly had a lot of foibles in their lives. they've been the target of a lot
of criticism. the ones that tried to enter public life, and patrick has been one of the most successful ones so far, but they've had their problems. a lot of them have found refuge in the private sector where there isn't as much scrutiny of their private lives around personal problems. and the spotlight as intensely as it is in elected office. >> you can't do what joe kennedy does on commercials and says, thanks to our friends in venezuela. hugo chavez. you can do that in the commercial world, right, susan? it's hard to run for congress and say, let's hear it for hugo chavez in venezuela, right? >> i think that's true. a lot of people in massachusetts are wondering why their own government isn't giving them discounted oil. but i think with patrick, actually the entire environment of washington, d.c. right now, particularly without his father, is really not good for his health. >> i completely understand. anybody that chooses not to run for public office these days. i completely and utterly sympathize with them. here's a bit of patrick kennedy
talking about his decision and his future. let's listen. >> i think of this as kind of a sabbatical now. there may be a time in the future where i might choose to come back and seek elective office again. but right now, you know, i want a chance to experience another part of life. and i'm very fortunate to have had the chance to serve. and i still have, you know, eight months left in my term. and i have a lot of work to do. >> you know, he's had problem with addictions, peter. you know, drank too much. had other problems with pills and all. and he's been fighting that, his mom had a history with that. he seems like his mother's son in that regard. a lot of this stuff you get stuck with in your genes. you know, he's had to fight all that. plus the pressure of being a kennedy. plus the pressure of having that archbishop, or that bishop up there in providence going after him on the abortion issue.
it's part of the reality of our life with state and church issues all the time. a lot to deal with. >> it's a lot to deal with. i also think patrick was especially close to his father. one of the things we saw at ted kennedy's funeral is just how dependent that family was on him. and what a patriarchal rock he was for them. i think that goes double for patrick who really relied on his father's support, not only personally but in congress. clearly you can see from his emotional outpourings and everything, that he's really coping with a lot of loneliness right now. it's better for him. i agree with susan, it's better for him to be out of congress. >> do you get a sense that once ted passed, you're vulnerable? craig getting shot at the white house by who knows who. patrick getting a lot of heat from the church. all this seemed to be coming after the passing, the loss of ted. almost like the carter expedition with king tut's tomb. all of a sudden everybody that was a kennedy guy getting
targeted. am i wrong? >> you're not wrong. but ted kennedy had a lot of power. he had a large group of people, some of them dating back to his brother's administration, many of them, though, you know, sort of coming up through his senate office who were major, major figures. and kennedy was an enormous fixed point on the american political landscape. with him gone, they've lost their patron. >> let's go back to the kennedy romance. ready? i'm willing to do it. let's talk. joe kennedy runs next time. he's looking good. he's grown up. looking very grown-up in these ads. we brought him here on msnbc. getting all the p.m. of working massachusetts, delivering the goods, maybe more than congress people are doing. can he come in there and catch this new guy, scott brown, voting the wrong way, somewhere along the line, in the next two years scott brown is going to vote like a right-winger. and he'll get nailed in massachusetts. >> i think that's entirely possible. i also think that scott brown is
in a position where he thinks he's this big celebrity, and he comes in -- >> until he starts voting. >> exactly. it's going to be a situation where if he's mitch mcconnell's lap dog, he's not going to get reelected in massachusetts. >> i like the way you talk. let's go to congressman patrick kennedy on scott brown's election to replace his dad and the media cynicism as he puts it. let's listen. >> i had made the comment that the moving up of that race, of that swearing-in, in order for him to vote against, as he did, the president's choices, especially for fair labor standards, for workers trying to form a union, to protect their rights, basically obviated -- you know, changed his whole mantra he was an independent voice. and made that whole campaign that he was an independent people's choice made that a
joke. but of course, they made the headline that i called his campaign, or his candidacy a joke. which was the furthest thing from the truth. i said that his having represented himself as an independent and then had the republican caucus move his swearing-in up, that made his thing a joke. of course, the two are very different when you put them in context. and of course, that shows the cynicism of media coverage these days. and you can't do much about that. >> did he get screwed on that? did somebody write a headline that made him sound like he was knocking -- knocking a vote in the senate which is a totally different issue? >> i wasn't there for that particular interview. >> is this the herald, competition at work? >> i'm not going to -- >> what are we talking about here? >> i'm not going to say anything about the herald there. i think there's a lot of blame out there from the media. we'll take a pass on attacking
the herald. >> i love the boston globe. and i love boston. love you up there. keep it up. it's where politics begins and ends. peter, congratulations on the great book on ted kennedy. what's going on when republicans in two states are pushing bills, no joke, to ban the implantation of microchips in human beings. you know the guys you meet at the port authority? talking about the teeth transmitting messages? republicans are very close to those people. check out the "sideshow" next. client's come in, they're anxious.
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forcibly implanting microchips in human beings. you might ask, why? the answer the virginia republican said comes from the book of revelations. "i'm not a theologian, but there's a prophecy in the bible that says you will have to receive a mark or you'll have to buy or sell things in end time. some people think microchips might be that mark." his ban on planting microchips in human beings passed by a vote of 88-9. so the next time a disturbed person tells you that the enemy is transmitting frightening information into his teeth, you know that he is being well represented in the virginia state legislature. anyway, here's more hysteria from the right. arkansas republican curtis coleman is looking to unseat blanche lincoln this november. catch what coleman says about federal funding for stem cell research. >> embryonic stem cell research
is basically creating a life and using it to conduct experiments so that we can temporarily extend somebody else's life. let me tell you what i just described. i just described what the nazis did to the jews in the death camps of world war ii. >> compared to nazi germany? sarah palin remains the gift that just keeps giving for late-night comedians. last night david letterman noted the former governor's 46th birthday. >> john mccain knew it was sarah palin's birthday and he did something very nice for her. he bought her a toyota. >> now for tonight's "big number." senator arlen specter fighting hard to keep his senate seat, after running for and serving in office as a republican for the past half century. but tonight a tip of the hat to a man who won't quit. senator arlen specter turns 80 today. arlen specter 80 years young.
tonight's the big number. president obama is considering new options for where to try 9/11 mastermind khalid shaikh mohammed, after republicans hit him hard for wanting to try him in criminal court. now we're learning that those criminal courts have a better track record con visting terrorists than military tribunals. let's get to the real facts, not the pr, not the politics. ♪ i am holding half an acre ♪ ♪orn from the map of michigan ♪ ♪ i am carrying this scra of paper ♪ when it's people who do the right thi, they call it being responble. when it's an insurance company, they call it liberty mutual. responsibility. what'sour policy? liberty mutual. that keep you cool and dry have now inspired stayfree® to create a whole new level of comfort when it comes to your period.
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i'm julia boorstin with your cnbc market wrap. china taps the brakes to try to slow down its economy. the dow jones industrial average sliding 45 points. the s&p 500 dipping three points. the naz tack actually adding six points. china catching the market offguard with a surprise tightening of lending standards.
worry that chinese banks will have to keep more reserve cash on hand leaving investors out of riskier investments. that combined with lingering concerns about the economic health of the euro zone, sending the dollar to the highest level in nine months. technology stocks seen as a safe bet today. motorola and retail in motion top gainers. retail sales rising half a percent, showing consumers are a bit more comfortable spending. analysts say the reason bad weather could break that trend in february. that's it from cnbc, first in bis worldwide. now back to "hardball." welcome back to "hardball." pentagon officials say u.s. and afghan forces have launched a major offensive again the taliban's strong hold of marjaw.
more on the front. mick, thanks. what's going on today in afghanistan? >> reporter: you know, chris, this is the largest military operation launched against the taliban in the entire afghanistan war. 25,000 to 30,000 u.s., nato and afghan forces are advancing tonight on the taliban strong hold of marja, and throughout the hellmond province in southern afghanistan. the initial objective is to drive out the hard-core taliban fighters and insurgents. and then once that's done, the u.s. and afghan military are simply going to settle in and hold the area for as long as it takes. afghan government services are then going to flow in to try to establish some basic services to the people of southern afghanistan, and at the same time the u.s. military has walking around money. they've got money that's been appropriated by congress to hand out to some of the afghans in the south, pretty much to help them recover from whatever
damage is done. but also pretty much, chris, as you know, to help buy their allegiance. there's one very interesting aspect to this particular offensive. this relatively small area of southern afghanistan produces 60% of the world's opium. now, that provides drug lords with $4 billion a year annually, $400 million of that goes to the taliban. and it's interesting, chris, because this offensive is occurring just at harvest time. so for those drug lords to try to harvest that crop, when the place is infested with u.s. military, is going to essentially deny them and the taliban some badly needed revenue, chris. >> wow. i'm reminded of charlie wilson through all this. thank you very much. jim miklaszewski reporting on the afghan front. eric holder is reconsidering right now trying the 9/11 mastermind khalid shaikh mohammed in federal court after coming under intense republican
pressure to try him in a military tribunal. safan was a government witness in the military commission says civilian courts are the more effective venue. of the three terrorists tried under military commission since 9/11, two are now free. in contrast, almost 200 terrorists have been convicted in federal courts since 9/11. it's been a venue for international terrorism cases since president ronald reagan authorized them back in the 1980s. this evidence at least that federal courts, criminal courts are the better venue than military tribunals for trying terrorists? a former special act and bruce is a former deputy attorney general under president reagan. he's also author of the book "constitutional peril." gentlemen, i want to learn something right now. all the pr, all the noise has been, you've got to go to military truibunals on these guys. what's your view, jack? should we go to military or stay
with the criminal approach? >> stay with the criminal approach. the facts are very, very clear here. more than 200 trials, more than 90% of them have been prosecuted and convicted. richard reid is a perfect example. >> the shoe bomber. >> he will spend the rest of his life in a federal facility in colorado. this is what they do. they do it very well. it's not just about them, though. it's also about the 1.5 billion muslims in the world. we want transparency. we want the world to see we believe in our system. >> you believe the man in the street in the arab world, the islamic world would like to see a trial in new york, and it will mean something to that man or woman in terms of fairness? >> i think it will. i'm just back from afghanistan flts i know that's true. i know it's true in iraq or just about every place else. >> your view on the justice aspect? are we more likely to get justice done under a military or criminal approach? >> well, it's obvious that the civilian approach has the due process of law, which the military commissions do not.
indeed, they combine judge, jury and prosecutor which the founding prosecutors determined was tyranny. the military commissions have proven an ink blot in the war against international terrorism. three cases, one sentence of five months, the individual's back in yemen. the driver of osama bin laden and a czar who ended up in a training camp in afghanistan. the third one is someone who made a video, and he wasn't at nurmberg. if you want to take a dress rehearsal for a sheek's case, look at zacarias moussaoui, he was prosecuted in civilian courts. he got a life sentence. >> the 20th hijacker, so-called. >> the 20th hijacker, the same arguments, same indictment. there weren't any difficulties in trying him. moreover, i agree that by making it transparent, we underscore to the arab world, to the muslim world we have due process of law
for everyone. we don't try to change the scales just because you belong to islam. >> let's go to the argument, not in my backyard. michael bloomberg, a sound individual, a smart politician, very smart. doesn't want this in new york. he's mayor, just got reelected, closely, but reelected. he says don't do it in my backyard. what do you say to him? he has the police responsibility for protecting the court, protecting the bailiffs, clerks, court reporters, everybody else. he says he can't do it, or at least it would be too expensive. >> i think that's ridiculous. in lower manhattan is the perfect place to try them. i think the argument that somehow if you try them in new york, all of a sudden they're going to use new york as a target? al qaeda's now going to target new york? come on. >> here's the question. you think, bruce, it's safe to do it in new york? >> of course it's safe to do it in new york. mr. moussaoui was tried near the pentagon, near the white house. we've got the security and ability to do this. by backing down, we embolden the
terrorists. we make them feel stronger than they are and able to recruit more than they are able to do at presence. >> al qaeda seems to have a focus on new york. in '93 when they tried to blow up the world trade center. on 9/11 horribly. don't they seem to have an iconic focus on new york and wouldn't that be intensified over a long trial, months and months perhaps to plan something and then to do something horrible? >> well, i think it's ridiculous to think they're not planning something all the time. the fact is, they didn't just focus on new york. you know some of those planes were headed, one hit the pentagon, the other looked like it was going to congress or the white house. and, therefore, insofar as they are targeting new york, so what. if we back down, we display cowardice. we give them more encouragement by suggesting they can frighten us into doing things with shouldn't do. >> let's go to the question of justice here.
khalid shaikh mohammed will probably plead guilty. he's the mastermind of 9/11. most people would say that deserves in any kind of moral sense capital punishment. can he get capital punishment from a military tribunal, jack? >> yeah, i think had could. do i think -- >> could? >> well, in the end, that's the bottom line. >> some people argue if you plead guilty -- you take this up, bruce. if you plead guilty in a military tribunal, it's not clear that you can be executed? is that the case? >> it may be ambiguous there. it seems to me, however, it's obvious in a civilian situation, you can get the death penalty. that's what mr. moussaoui had a whole trial on that score. >> sure. >> it's true you do need unamimity. >> i'll try my idea by you. i think military justice is an odd term. i think we execute spies, and yet spies, you were a spy, is
the most courageous thing you can be, military spying for your country. when an army is on the advance, it doesn't take prisoners. when an army's in retreat, it doesn't take prisoners. there's a lot of luck in surviving a war. some people get killed. some people get maimed. the idea of justice in war seems to be almost out of place. so when you catch a bad guy by our definition, we execute him because he did something against the other side. is there such a thing as military justice? >> no. >> that's what i keep getting at. so we just want to -- a lot of people say khalid shaikh mohammed did it, execute him. do it quick. have a trial and get it over with. why do we have to have juries impaneled, weeks and weeks of showing off jurors who want to make a case or be famous. who wants that? >> if we're going to guarantee that he's going to be convicted and going to be shot, we've decided that, why don't we take him out in the front of the courthouse and do it. >> if we've already decided, why are we going through the
pretense of having a trial -- >> that's the transparency concept. if what we're trying to do is tell the rest of the world that we believe our system is the best in the world, and we will prove he is guilty, i like that idea. >> impanel a bunch of new yorkers, few who are islamic people. maybe one. bruce, do you think the rest of the world is going to say that's a fair trial? your thoughts? >> if it's -- >> or is it vengeance. >> if it's an opportunity for defense, the answer is yes. but the catch-22, even if there's an acquittal he'll be in guantanamo for life because he's a combatant. tokyo rose was convicted and sentenced for treason and then she was pardoned because they got it wrong there. we need to ask ourselves -- >> oh, yeah, tokyo rose. that's the problem, yeah. here's the problem. you just pointed out the great redundancy here. khalid shaikh mohammed, okay, he gets convicted in a court.
he gets charged with capital punishment, goes there all the appeals. month and month and month, years and years, he finally gets off. then you put him in a stockade, right? >> he's an enemy combatant. he will be there for life no matter what happens with the particular trial. >> bottom line, you guys, both of you, first, you were in the agency, you're an expert on this, are you afraid he might use this, khalid shaikh mohammed, to give sort of a john brown's body sort of speech in new york that rallies al jazeera and everybody else? >> no. >> are you afraid of that, bruce? he has months to write that speech. are you worried about that or not? >> no. he's not fighting to liberate anyone from slavery like john brown was. if you look like that par rel opportunity that mr. moussaoui had, i think it fell flat. from from his point of view, just remember, as hard as it is to get to, from his point of view, he's the good guy, right?
don't underestimate his ability to give a moralistic speech. >> if he says death to america, do you think america's going to fall as a result? >> thank you, jack rice. thank you, bruce fein. i think i disagree with you guys, but i'm going to hold my thought right now. breaking news from alabama. multiple people have been shot on the university of alabama in huntsville and confirm they have a female suspect in custody. two people needed an ambulance. the initial call said as many as ten people were shot. police describe the shooter as a woman wearing a pink sweater and a black and white shirt. more on this breaking story as it becomes available. never mind the new polls that people don't think sarah palin's qualified to be president. the big question is, could she actually win the nomination? some touting her prospects coming up next. ♪
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we've got an update on the shooting at the university of alabama at huntsville. the university spokesperson says that three people are dead and one wounded. time for the politics fix between our key note speech at the tea party convention and her interview on sunday, sarah palin has been front and center.
here is part of the interview with chris wallace. let's listen. >> i'm never going to pretend that i know more than the next person. i'm not going to pretend that i'm an elitist. for too often and too long, they have tried to make people like me and people in the heartland of america feel like we just don't get it and big government is just going to have to take care of us. >> such fin necessary. joining me is ron bernstein and steve. let's talk about your theory of what you think. >> one of which is reflected in the last comment, just as barack obama's victory over hillary clinton, the democratic changes of the democratic party as it moves upscale.
and blue collar nonworking americans, 51% of all the cast, and republicans have used against democrats, going back to natalie stevenson, the heart land wisdom, when we listen to her saying that, you can imagine her using it against barack obama and also an argument like that in a republican primary. where she says, look, i'm the voice of this blue collar average beer tracked america and kind of running on that theme. and i think she has a demographic base in the party if she wants to pursue it. >> steve, your thoughts on this. i thought the best way to predict where barack obama would win in waukz and primaries was
to see what percentage of the electorates work. if it was high, he lost, if it was low, a counter theory parallel to it, you want to pick the are republican winner, look at each caucus state, each primary situation, and see what percentage are working whites. and if that's high, she could win. your thoughts? >> we could make the parallel to barack obama but you never believed that barack obama wasn't simply qualified to be president. yesterday there was a poll that came out that actually showed that most believe sarah palin is not qualified. the second thing you have to look at, you can say that there's a vafst pool of voters that she could appeal to but i think she's going to have competition for that. there could be mike huckaby or rick perry.
there's a big segment of that pool that she would like to draw on that, yeah, they sort of like her and that message but they don't even think that she's qualified to be president. i see her as a factor like pat robinson was a factor in 1988. >> i think the debates can be very important. she's going to have to hold her own on the debate. we'll be right back with the patrick kennedy era. we'll be right back with that. [ male announcer ] when it comes to reaching your big milestones,
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we're back with ron bernstein and steve. you've lived your whole life with kennedy in congress, pretty much. >> i grew up in massachusetts where you had ted kennedy in the senate and joe kennedy in the house. you were talking to the guys from boston earlier. patrick's move really does remind me of when joe kennedy left congress in 1998. joe was 46, i think, patrick kennedy, 42. similar circumstances where joe kennedy's brother had just died, he seemed to realize there was a life outside of politics that he wanted to live. and the interesting thing is we spent the next 12 years wondering what office he's going to run for. i think we can do a lot of speculating. i wouldn't be surprised if -- >> the working people of